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tonybaloney

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Bellaso's Ciphers
« on: February 21, 2009, 12:04:12 PM »
BELLASO’S CIPHERS

In the mid 16th century Giovan Battista Bellaso published two books on cryptography containing the following challenge ciphers – as far as I know none have ever been solved – for more details see an article by Augusto Buonafalce in Cryptologia 30:39-51, 2006 or Nick Pellings Home page/Cypher Mysteries


1555 Bellaso Cipher Challenge #1


Frzf      polh      hebx     ghqf      xtou      ulfh      gihm     qbgn    yoep     rpmi      porn     zngy

gzop     zctm     qdfl      hian      bxbu     dqmt      dnul     ayxm    cars      gsgc      xrch      omdo

cgmh    hxpc     bomf    rntr       oyqz     zhim      hsph     mphr    xrfh      omd’a   updq     bedp

rhxe      flfg        dqlb     dcdq     cxrf      glmb      pctq     pnpy     fdeo     zcxt       braz      bude

qpyh     gnfp      beinu    ndqa     ngxn     bloc      auyu     btos      iblx      fbyid     fxyh      mctf

tmoz     fhlb       aich      oqep     luzi       ucxe      nctb     ghpz     lbxu      flzs       myxt     nbon

loge      nxhq     xyef      nzgh      ryrd      myrf     qfao     dqse      tryr       cqtx      ddbx     nscu

hpnq     qscq      hqry     gnsp      huam    pfpn      fdcg     tbsn      lman     smlb      zcmb    easa

qemb    udoa     cxph     rsqgf      yrnf      fgep       itia      amsy    acih       sxth       tsfd      cxph

lyni       rupt      ygdr     enqn      nfhi       enbe       engc    monb    qogt      rszy       clcx      aldu

ayix      ttis        phms    asbl       cpix      gnsr       tyeo     qxrf      yedx     mtgix     rhcm     xuhf

sghr      opbg     slbo      cecu      flhb       npfc       erep    gdqv     bzpr     haum      prpc     doxd

qylp      hqfq     dimtu    ibgs      xelc      hgsh      zumh     qbxa    xcqt      pilb       ocud      slgl

hgdh     uhpd     hbxe     fltq       yayg     bdcle     gmtn     umni    utpl       tufq      bdzo      sfzb

yezd     xnqc     opcy     pyhq      efso      zsbm     ornd      hudc    nulr       ryrn      pxlnu    tgdaz


1555 Bellaso Cipher Challenge #2

Oiul      cdca     brop     nrgq     txsc       rxrc       ooci      hfri        txdz      iadc      lxgy      apuda

tdio      pima     unit       seag     ionn      plro       rxim      lszg       xfrb      bgln      picy      srft

uxal      ileg       hzge     eyqn     frsy       zyfa      ssyu      otgh      dser      ffsh       ayoy     nehal

aczi      gphs     lylr        dxoh     mbpn    ypnq    fpno      nigt       ncnf      yiyr       lzzf       tzcr

uicf       nelt       nhrd     rlno      ldgl       xeud     ncuf      tphc      nbcx     fxta       diph      bsbr

pqis      qshn     rcni       figs      macf     tpbm     pctn      qcal      gmxr     hrcu      nnct      tagpf

hymi     ohpr     mgmm  dcsy     rxmg     laql      edop     zcyt      crysb     iuch      hxxl      pccp

dpuo     lmel      hgqg   athx       inor      osdq      lsif        bids      zzax     pqxpg   umaf      xcrz

txti        edxt      iytn       firf      hxrz      cnuq     puoz      nrff       ynim     iomu     mtnq     mqfz

bflm     hqsq     fbpfi     treh      erzm     yauc     lrmb       lsat       xunb     nuuu     xtuu      mpcn

zpib     ifpd      pams     caiu      xifn       ftuy     gruo      uucm     pahd     xauo     uzse      ygsm

xtys     cmtr     ayyl       xems    mipn     yhaf      xale      zyde       rhlr       orbg     acct      ssiq

nxiy     txob     ofyn      mfnn     xfro      pcnt      sszd     manm    hmqe    zunq    alqn       hafn

ilam     gual      obxl      fuas      pszl      rmbu    ehri       stzh        afap      poyp    rbhi       eury

zmbm   sebc     cmyh    lchi       qahd     tgfn      fpsl       xtra      hnmh    mxmu   utfa        zchr

ogcm    yrre      forg      rsch      nerr      tdhm     almf      bysh     dysm    gouf     abuym    ubpa

habc     ocmi     apch     nads     iftd       racq      mqoz     uzfe      cfgh      lpgs      hifx       izbxx

cndu     exal      eggy     nquh    mgsh    dmab     hnua       rgdl      glxl      zqrn     syam

(note – letters in italics have a mark above or through them in the original)


1555 Bellaso Cipher Challenge #3

.ZxaCg&hsezdlfqetpagblckRrtfkiguxituonr&RhCkpsqgezCdRqgekyfbClqpebRt

aptgecxtCdseulf&ogRklxCpdpqreqboe&dqaClomRcthnCsnClfamqdkyfzxpfdgunk

yehk*&dqal&emhzeRbauCfxCp&flhkozRyhuhrhbtCCbyaRgudCgbp&kmiklxbn*u

xzbpxurhCyxpeRghaz&m*Rcydd&blipnpadkftbarRyne.zobqhiCCsoyRpldc&pa

z&pksdzsClxkighqehsa&socmRprlubxbkCtfrhumbpuCkgxzeRd&fnetpardlxgpa

pCmqghnkxb&rhsz&tkpRclehzaabCfgdClftdoqggChzpoRtbohytacemktg&Cp

Cdf&uqztncksdlqptCgulykCopxg&sCddngdrlCbpqukoqhehykqbohamczxmRdcny

pxk.atRldkxmfalqgubqquacCdRnaphbpqckcCtifgqtpuldznsyx.pCdixbpazad&lszfi

qlChr&cggkqazRpm*um&b&oixzClqh

(note the capital C and R in the above cipher are given in the book copy as reversed C and  R)

1564 Bellaso challenge #1

PSDLPQNSDMXLNEAUPHFBXDUCOHUHCLDXCXPMBXERMGXMCOTFO

HOENOIPGMFGLPGNSHIXHMRCSDXAUTMATBOQUASCBLPLDMUIOIPXBUE

STAPCETFNUXFSIPNRHBHLICXCNTPSHGDINHMOMCQULMCNADRPATBLIBU

QBOMUABCXHOHNROHDTUHXBNETESHUTNMFBDAQSRSICREPNRLUSQFNTD

TIPLRLNRUMGORUQLUEREAUPHFBGOQOBOCRXGPUGPGCFQDOIGQPETDT

FBDABADFXAUSGIXGSTAMEGLIRQFSOUNTDTHMFLISUQFQQEAUBUPHOS

RUBMICRNAGPTGNGLDXDHUOXE.

1564 Bellaso challenge #2

RSX OSIUBPD SDARGBFSTRS BXDADRR HCIALBLDSA ODFMA

ERIMAIEU XAURHPG BSEHTUNR UMIFS SFOTRRRCE OSIUBPD GTIDB

RRICXE XETLCN ERIMAIEU TDXNFRC XOGBO TMTAXDS ORUBORO CSEIE

SSGBACILB FERBSHAQTC ECCE HRXOFBIETNHR RELACC QRBEGCSQFX

MEUFSS OUBXDIDLQCS ITFXRN TULGU SFAOGCN XCGTIDB SPFERB

XIETLCNNE GBIT NEDP.


1564 Bellaso challenge #3

CNRDEPSGT XEQRLLGP FDUHLLQMXX AMCABAA HPEEOHU MIDLDHU

REFQFLQAT NSUAIB GFMCLGTEHQFI TNLLP EBIJFDFNLLQ OPACLTPE=

FBGGN FQCXXUQMN RFDLUGFAP SRDUGS BLDRHQSR PMCHOQFP

QDIOXAQ LCGBIGS CNRANX DXUUMCA MSQLNMTPU AGEQLNZLIQ FSUP=

MMAO RADIOLBBQ SDAGARB HPEUDIIICXLGLQX QSUDSNGGDS.


1564 Bellaso challenge #4

NCUTA REXEECSUAUB NUEFPAN FAGRTAIX HOUPU QHBADFMRDU

MDLAOGTTZR FLPFRM PEAFBIXA IRLIR NACQGMOIL HOILIR OBFFPGN

CLPON XLNRH OFBRDSA DQSBODEN FAUQ NACQGMOCQ OBTCI DFXPIX

INUODHOCQ FBHD MXEUBUIDA FBEUANRH OIQU ETBOCQ OBLFGM SLIGU

MELQAOHUL QCIDN FCPGOCQ MDMSOTIAR TCIBNIRN ANUDUSA OMFC=

SNUICQ FSENIAGDN NCQI XEEAUDCXLU.


1564 Bellaso challenge #5
 
EUFEMEASGGMCN FLFBNMGTMNNBFD BLCAXTM HCFXFFCBQDCA

MECTFOCAFHGMFNMATDCMIDIOIDFEABABUHEDAPHXOBDXPCIBMDBEL

ASCAEISAFAOUMAIIUUCFIPLDAHIUSTCAP.


1564 Bellaso challenge #6

DP QBGTA ITP LBIEE DFIIHO LI AQILIFF SO NILEECHL OMGTTIE=

CZXRC CGEDFLLIILBGGP PLBBIUNO UL QURNXSRRNB OR ACFEDFLL=

ILBFI PLACFODACU AP UHEEOI PLSGGAOLRIBLNGIBLNPE SO ROCDBCG

BU PCLICB MR RBERPUGSTSLB PLACFOEXBUBLB BPSPDXG QU BDUU

DCCAGE FCFXSFP HP MBHI LH EOMGU FSDDHEIJMG FPDHQMPDD.


1564 Bellaso challenge #7

QMOSDAHSOM CULRMENEESFMBT QUXRQBRHORRGIA NTEECFTLRL

HSXOIARETT CUNOEGED HDXMPTQMXGES TBQEOE FOCFHUBG LAOE=

RMOMODIACUNSEOEEIOCDMDCMIA QMFOTOOERMOMOD EMXRHLOT=

RM EEQBRHRRORBF EMCMRE MUQUXGNGSB EDCROERMOMQMNOCH

NSEECFNEFT CMYLDLELRL FTOUPEGURE FRCMQMXGQRRHRRORPU AL=

QU AEQCECYECENGFBPL OERMOMEB FM QEQHQMESTFT TLOMESFM=

HSZBOURE AEQUXGQHOARHORHOQBXFRBRE RHEMRURMYLBUMDQBTL=

NOQE CGOERLAEQUXGNGSB QMMURMOU EGMRPOCDDFYHHTOANSSB

NOCFESFMEUOBRAFFPLOUCMHR CFFTMDCECFALESFT


« Last Edit: March 17, 2009, 10:58:39 AM by tonybaloney »

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 02:18:42 PM »
Sounds interesting! The first two cipher types look familiar...

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 09:36:46 AM »
Augusto Buonafalce has kindly sent me his translations of the 3 books by Bellaso which explain how the above ciphers were constructed. I give an abbreviated version to help anyone who does not have access to this material -

Book 1: – LA CIFRA DEL SIG. GIOVAN BATTISTA - (pub. In Venice 1553)

This book introduces & explains his basic method –
Using the keyword/phrase  – VIRTUTI  OMNIA PARENT
The message – L’armata turchesca partira a cinque di luglio – is enciphered by writing the keyword/phrase above the message thus:-

VIRTUTI OMNIAPARE NTVIRTU TIOMNIA PARENTVI
Larmata turchesca partira acinque diluglio

And then using the following reciprocal cipher table

AB a b c d e f g h i l m
   n o p q r s t u x y z

CD a b c d e f g h i l m
   t u x y z n o p q r s

EF a b c d e f g h i l m
   z n o p q r s t u x y

GH a b c d e f g h i l m
   s t u x y z n o p q r

IL a b c d e f g h i l m
   y z n o p q r s t u x

MN a b c d e f g h i l m
   r s t u x y z n o p q

OP a b c d e f g h i l m
   x y z n o p q r s t u

QR a b c d e f g h i l m
   q r s t u x y z n o p

ST a b c d e f g h i l m
   p q r s t u x y z n o

VX a b c d e f g h i l m
   u x y z n o p q r s t

YZ a b c d e f g h i l m
   o p q r s t u x y z n


To encipher we look down the left hand column for the keyword letter – read across till we find the message letter and encipher it with its reciprocal - the message thus becomes –
SYBOUEY LDANUOFSZ LPIINCU PNSHMLR NXOIZNRD

Deciphering is done in exactly the same method by writing the keyword/phrase over the enciphered message.
He then explains a Y could be inserted between the words in the original message before enciphering to eliminate word spacing and enabling the decipherer to know where the word divisions are.
He also suggests using 4,6 or more verses to use as keywords/phrases – one for each line of the original message to avoid errors.
(in a nutshell that is book 1 – it does not contain any challenge ciphers)

Book 2: -NOVI ET SINGOLRI MODI DI CIFRARE ..... – pub. Bresica 1555

“The third and fourth methods for writing in cipher” ....
First he demonstrates a new way of constructing the cipher table –
Using the keyword/verse – “Arma virumque cano, troiae qui primus ab oris” – extract the consonants in order R M Q C N T P S B then add the rest of the consonants to give
R M Q C N T P S B D F G H L X Y Z
Extract the vowels in order – A U I E O
Insert one vowel every 3 letters to give - R M Q A C N T U P S B I D F G E H L X O Y Z
Write the first 11 of these above the second 11 to give the basic reciprocal alphabet then shift the lower part one place to the right each time to give the 11 reciprocal alphabets to be used in the new table –
“if you want the large alphabet on the side to be different from the other alphabet you can take the same letters mating the vowels with the first five letters. Thus:”

RA MU QI CE TP SB DF GH LX YZ

RA r m q a c n t u p s b
   i d f g e h l x o y z

MV r m q a c n t u p s b
   z i d f g e h l x o y

QI r m q a c n t u p s b
   y z i d f g e h l x o

CE r m q a c n t u p s b
   o y z i d f g e h l x

NO r m q a c n t u p s b
   x o y z i d f g e h l

TP r m q a c n t u p s b
   l x o y z i d f g e h

SB r m q a c n t u p s b
   h l x o y z i d f g e

DF r m q a c n t u p s b
   e h l o x y z i d f g

GH r m q a c n t u p s b
   g e h l o x y z i d f

LX r m q a c n t u p s b
   f g e h l o x y z i d

YZ r m q a c n t u p s b
   d f g e h l o x y z i


For the keyword/phrase to be used in enciphering Bellaso suggests “a Psalm or a Sonnet or ten Latin or Italian verses.”
Write the message – put a Y at the end of the longer words – divide into blocks of 4
“if one should happen to put 3 or 5 letters in a group or if the Y should be missing at the end of some word in the worksheet, this will be of no consequence”
The following example is given using the keyphrase ‘Qui confidunt in domino sicut mons sion non commovebitur’ above the message ‘Giulio cesare sapendo ....’

q    u    i    c    o    n    f    i    d    u
guil ioce sare ysap endo ydeq uant ayim port anza
 n    t    i    n    d    o    m    i    n    o
yfus siyn elloy diff ender eye taqu istd reys tati
 s    i    c    u    t    m    o    n    s    s
ilse ciue reyl unta noys ecre tame ntey comp ofey
 i    o    n    n    o    n    c    o    m    m
unac ifra ylaq ualy pero ynon siri trou aybe nche
 m    o    n    t    e    s    i    n    c
yalc uniy affi rmin oyha uerl ayri trou atay


"the first 4 lines are enciphered under the first verse of a Psalm – the fifth line under the second verse"
Enciphering & deciphering 4 letters at a time using the table.
Next it is suggested doing exactly the same as the above but letter for letter instead of blocks of 4 – “and a different verse for each line, truncating or repeating the verse to fit the length of line and if using up all your verses to repeat them in rotation.”

Now he moves on to his fourth method of enciphering –
“Write two 26 letter alphabets placing under them the vowels repeated twice and three Y’s at random so that the letters of the alphabet have a vowel or a Y directly underneath. In the empty spaces you will put the rest of the letters except h k x z.
These letters are not important and we rarely need them we will mark a dot in their place.”

A B C D E F G H I K L M N O P Q R S T V X Y Z & Ͻ Я
g m p t i s r e q f u b i a y o d l e y n u c y o a

A B C D E F G H I K L M N O P Q R S T V X Y Z & Ͻ Я
y i e o l u o b y a p i r f c s e u m g y d a t n q


then suggests you could use 4 alphabets to make it even stronger.
Enciphering method. Add a Y to all long words –

L’arte y seguita y la natura y inquanto y sia posibile y

Omit all doubles except where it would alter meaning of word –
Encipher by using the above alphabets alternating at every Y – which gives:-

sЯgdhpqcusb&kisoxЯdygoubϽЯfzϽ&gifeocqfnmeshp.

To decipher reverse the procedure.

“Those who like to use the abbreviations will place the conventional marks above the cipher letters that substitute the plaintext letters which had marks over them.”  (these are the italicised letters in first 2 cipher challenges)
Bellaso finishes with 3 appended cryptograms saying they have been compiled according to the concepts previously outlined.
(Those are the first 3 ciphers given at the start of this thread)

Book 3: - IL VERO MODO DI SCRIVERE IN CIFRA – Bressa 1564

To be continued ... see later post

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 09:56:46 AM »
Wow, that's complex. Now if only I knew Italian...

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 11:47:33 AM »
A little Latin would help too - reckon you don't need to know the language, just gotta find a little chink in the armour

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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 05:31:57 AM »
Book 3: - IL VERO MODO DI SCRIVERE IN CIFRA – Bressa 1564
In this book Bellaso gives four more tables constructed from the keywords and several new methods of using them –
SATURNO; IOVE: MARTE; PHILIPPUS/VENETIARUM DUX.
The latter using two keywords.
“If repeated letters exist in the keyword they are discarded. The first syllable of the keyword is placed in the top half and the rest of the keyword in the bottom half, followed by the unused letters in alphabetical sequence.”
“we do not include Y or Z because they rarely occur. If necessary they will be put in the cipher text.”
METHOD 1
Table 1
Using the keyword SATURNO –

S a b c d e f g h i
t u r n o l m p q x


then ten lines shifting as before –
1  S a b c d e f g h i
   t u r n o l m p q x
 
2  S a b c d e f g h i
   x t u r n o l m p q

3  S a b c d e f g h i
   q x t u r n o l m p

4  S a b c d e f g h i
   p q x t u r n o l m

5  S a b c d e f g h i
   m p q x t u r n o l

6  S a b c d e f g h i
   l m p q x t u r n o

7  S a b c d e f g h i
   o l m p q x t u r n

8  S a b c d e f g h i
   n o l m p q x t u r

9  S a b c d e f g h i
   r n o l m p q x t u

10 S a b c d e f g h i
   u r n o l m p q x t


an X is placed between words –
inxognixartexinognixsienzaxlainventionexfusemprexlapiuxbellaxpartexchesiax
inx is enciphered using alphabet 1; ognix – 2; artex -3 etc. – after ten words star with alphabet 1 again. This gives the ciphertext :-
xciemdqsxdbnamfgosmbmlugdlpcsmohftheoihtdtgoxbchxebodrhfopcngfraimhtxui
(note the plaintext ‘che’ is not enciphered in the above & the plaintext ‘z’ is enciphered as ‘ti’ standard Italian after 1529)
to decipher reverse the above leaving a space when an X is found etc
“the X has no other function than to mark the end of the words. When needed as a plaintext letter one dot may be put over the cyphertext letter to indicate x.”

Table 2
IDVQ  i o a b c d f g h l
      u e m n p q r s t x

OFER  i o a b c d f g h l
      x u e m n p q r s t

AGMS  i o a b c d f g h l
      t x u e m n p q r s

BHNT  i o a b c d f g h l
      s t x u e m n p q r

CLPX  i o a b c d f g h l
      r s t x u e m n p q


the Capitals reading down the side are in the same order as the lower case alphabet running across.
There are 3 ways shown for using this table –
Method 2 / Table 2 – combine the shorter plaintext words with the longer ones and using a keyphrase  i.e. (Optare meliora ferre ominia)
   O       P         T         A
Lavirtu fusempre damaligni invidiata


The first letter each word is enciphered under the capital letter indicated by the keyphrase, the second letter is enciphered using the next alphabet down in the table etc.
Giving the ciphertext –tubrfla mihbdhfa mtaessnbx tfcuptxam
Deciphering follows the same procedure.

Method 3/ Table 2
Similar to the first method – but instead of a keyphrase a capital letter chosen at random is placed at the beginning of each word
Mvirtuti Lomnia Fparent – enciphers as –
Masihois Lsactx Fduldbl


Method 4 / Table 2
Again similar to the previous two – but this time the first word starts its encipherment with the first alphabet – the second word with the alphabet indicated by the first letter of the previous word –
Ave maria gratia plena – enciphers as –
Mob cxive qlthxu frdbe.


To decipher – having deciphered the first word starting with the first alphabet, decipher the second starting at the alphabet indicated by the word already deciphered.
METHOD 5
“one can encipher with the first table and the three shorter tables that follow without the use of capital letters in this manner. You prepare your draft without word divisions placing an X at the end of each word. Start from the first alphabet enciphering each letter with a different alphabet. Then begin enciphering the first letter of the next word using the same alphabet you used to encipher the X. Always work cyclically  -

arsxlungaxvitaxbrevis
mblarcbruabrheoelditl



- Next he introduces words into the tables -
METHOD 6 – similar system to previous – short words combine with longer ones but not those appearing in the table -


MDTP   Altra   alcuno   assai    accio    accioche   ancora    ancorache   benche   che     Che
       M       A        R        B        C          D         F           G        H       I
       T       E        L        N        O          P         Q           S        V       X
       che     cosa     cosi     come     certi      della     debba       dica     detto   deve
AFEQ   del     doppo    dubio    essere   essendo    essa      eccellente  fussi    forsi   gratia
       M       A        R        B        C          D         F           G        H       I
       X       T        E        L        N          O         P           Q        S       V
       grata   grande   havuta   havemo   hanno      habia     imperoche   ilche    ilquale inogni
RGLS   intutto ilvostro ilnostro imperio  lettera    laquale   lequale     laonde   lamolto molto
       M       A        R        B        C          D         F           G        H       I
       V       X        T        E        L          N         O           P        Q       S
       modo    male     mondo    mille    non        non       nostro      nella    ogni    ognicosa
BHNV   per     perilche pero     percio   percioche  poco      poter       prego    poi     possa
       M       A        R        B        C          D         F           G        H       I
       S       V        X        T        E          L         N           O        P       Q
       quanto  quella   quando   questa   qualche    recevuta  scritta     scisse   scrivo  stata
CIOX   sopra   sono     sempre   signor   signoria   tutto     tanta       virtu    vostra  una
       M       A        R        B        C          D         F           G        H       I
       Q       S        V        X        T          E         L           N        O       P
       Habia-  Le vo-   laviso   vedice   usareti    quanto    Fe con      E sta-   No ma-  desidere
       Mo re-  Stre let cheme    Mo in    Ogni di-   Piu pre   fidemo      To re-   Cati e- Mo ha
       cevute  Tere me  datime   Rispo-   ligentia   Sto me    nella       solto    sequir  Ver piu
       Le vo-  Sono sta accaro   Sta del- P faper    dareti    vostra      Nel no   quanto  Portico-
       Stre let Te gra- Perdi-   La vo-   laverita   Aviso ta- Pru-        stro     Ve ha-  Lar avisa
       tere   tissime   Versi ri Stra ch  De que-    To piu    denza       Consi-   biamo   De que-
                        spetti   &c.      Sto fatto  acaro     &c.         Lio che  scritto Sto fatto



To encipher – place keyphrase over letters not appearing in the table -
         O                   p              t            a
havemo inteso della nostra venuta laqual mestata molto acara perilche


those in the table take any letter from the left column in which row it appears and the adjacent letter in its own column – giving the enciphered message –
ql pbabmh pp ch hrdace ld tribsmt li tluue ua.
To decipher write the keyphrase only above the groups that are not pairs.
When encipher without a keyphrase but with prefixed letters do not prefix the words on the list –
Enciphering with prefixed letters –

ql Fudbdgd pp ch Badbiru ld Cqahruce li Tenxxs ua.
Enciphering without keyphrase or prefixed letter – (initial of previous word but ignoring those in the list)-
ql xcrcac pp ch racmbs ld sdgaru li enxxs ua.
METHOD 7
This method uses two keyword, one across the top & one down the side -

    V   E   N   T   I   A   R   M   D   X   B   C   F         G         H
P   pu  pe  pn  pt  pi  pa  pr  pm  pd  px  pb  pc  pf        pg        Ph
    aa  ea  ia  oa  ua  A   aa  ae  ai  ao  au  A   accio     altra     ancore
H   hh  hu  he  hn  ht  hi  ha  hr  hm  hd  hx  hb  hc        hf        hg
    ab  e   bub ob  ub  B   ba  be  bi  bo  bu  B   benche    che       che
I   ig  ih  iu  ie  in  it  ii  ia  ir  im  id  ix  ib        ic        if
    ac  ec  ic  oc  uc  C   cd  ce  ci  co  cu  Ch  cosa      como      della
L   lf  lg  lh  lu  le  ln  lt  li  la  lr  lm  ld  lx        lb        lc
    ad  ed  id  od  ud  D   da  de  di  do  du  D   debba     ditto     doppe
V   uc  uf  ug  uh  uu  ue  un  ut  ui  ua  ur  um  ud        ux        ub
    ae  ee  ie  oe  ue  E   ea  ee  ei  eo  eu  E   esso      essendo   essere
S   sb  sc  sf  sg  sh  su  se  sn  st  si  sa  sr  sm        sd        sx
    af  ef  if  of  uf  F   fa  fe  fi  fo  fu  F   forsi     fusse     finche
A   ax  ab  ac  af  ag  ah  au  ae  an  at  ai  aa  ar        am        ad
    ag  eg  ig  og  ug  G   ga  ge  gi  go  gu  G   gratia    grave     grato
B   bd  bx  bb  bc  bf  bg  bh  bu  be  bn  bt  bi  ba        br        bm
    ah  eh  ih  oh  uh  H   ha  he  hi  ho  hu  H   abaiamo   avunto    hanno
C   cm  cd  cx  cb  cc  cf  cg  ch  cu  ce  cn  ct  ci        ca        cr
    ai  ei  ii  oi  ui  I   ia  ie  ii  io  iu  I   imperio   impo      impoche
D   dr  dm  dd  dx  db  dc  df  dg  dh  du  de  dn  dt        di        da
    al  el  il  ol  ul  L   la  le  li  lo  lu  L   leqli     liquali   lettera
E   ea  er  em  ed  ex  eb  ec  ef  eg  eh  eu  ee  en        et        ei
    am  em  im  om  um  M   ma  me  mi  mo  mu  M   molto     modo      mondo
F   fi  fa  fr  fm  fd  fx  fb  fc  ff  fg  fh  fu  fe        fn        ft
    an  en  in  on  un  N   na  ne  ni  no  nu  N   non       nostra    nella
G   gt  gi  ga  gr  gm  gd  gx  gb  gc  gf  gg  gh  gu        ge        gn
    ao  eo  io  oo  uo  O   oa  oe  oi  oo  ou  O   oltra     ogni      ognicosa
M   mm  mt  mi  ma  mr  mm  md  mx  mb  mc  mf  mg  mh        mu        me
    ap  ep  ip  op  up  P   pa  pe  pi  po  pu  P   per       pero      perche
N   ne  nn  nt  ni  na  nr  nm  nd  nx  nb  nc  nf  ng        nh        nu
    aq  eq  iq  oq  uq  Q   st  st  st  st  qu  Q   quali     quella    questa
O   ou  oe  on  ot  oi  oa  or  om  od  ox  ob  oc  of        og        oh
    ar  er  ir  or  ur  R   ra  re  ri  ro  ru  R   quato     quando    qualche
Q   qh  qu  qe  qn  qt  qi  qa  qr  qm  qd  qx  qb  qc        qf        qg
    as  es  is  os  us  S   sa  se  si  so  su  S   signor    signoria  scritto
R   rg  rh  ru  re  rn  rt  ri  ra  rr  rm  rd  rx  rb        rc        rf
    at  et  it  ot  ut  T   ta  te  ti  to  tu  T   scrisse   tutto     tanto
T   tf  tg  th  tu  te  tn  tt  ti  ta  tr  tm  td  tx        tb        tc
    au  eu  iu  ou  uu  V   ua  ue  ui  uo  uu  V   vostro    vero      una
X   xc  xf  xg  xh  xu  xe  xn  xt  xi  xa  xr  xm  xd        xx        xb
    br  dr  gn  lt  nq  X   pr  rl  rp  rt  st  X   vostra    le vostra lquate piu
                                                    Sig       lettere   presto
Y   yb  yc  yf  yg  yh  yu  ye  yn  yt  yi  ya  yr  ym        yd        yx
    ch  fr  gr  mn  nt  Y   rc  rm  rs  sc  tr  Y   Il Signor Le cose   Me
                                                    Iddio     passano   racemande   
Z   zx  zb  zc  zf  zg  zb  zu  ze  zn  zt  zi  za  zr        zm        zd
    cr  gl  lm  nc  pn  Z   rd  rn  rt  sp  tr  Z   habiamo   havemo    fatime
                                                    recevute  apiacer   raccom




“only the alphabets vary when the keywords are changed – the rest remains the same”
“to encipher a digraph containing a vowel one looks for it horizontally along the second column of Capital letters and copies the digraph that stands above it. To encipher two consonants one looks for them in the last few lines of the table if they exist. To encipher one whole word one looks for it in the nomenclator. To encipher a single letter one transcribes the digraph which appears above the capital letters in either of the two alphabets in the body of the table”
“to decipher, one always enters the table from the Capital alphabet on the left side of the table, then traces the other letter in the horizontal alphabet.”
Plaintext: le vostre lettere me sono state molto agrate
Ciphertext: xxdaefqdfg nxrgum enaxorra.

(This is the end of the all the methods given.)
“The seven appended messages have been accurately compiled according to the concepts taught. They contain some beautiful things that are interesting to know.”

La ragion naturale, perche un’arco longo tira lontano, & fa maggior botta da presso, & l’arco curto per il contrario, fa maggior botta da presso, & tira manco luntano.

La ragion perche un’arma lunga d’asta fa maggior passata, che non fa la curta d’asta.

La ragione perche non vi sia certa misura, & proportione, dal diametro alla circonferentia, & dalla circonferentia allo diametro, ne vi sia la quadratura del circolo, benche alcuni falsamente dicano haverla ritrovata.

La ragione perche lassando cadere da alto a basso due palle, una di ferro, & l’altra di legno, cosi presto cada in terra quella di legno, como quella di ferro.

La ragion perched al circolo equinotiale, verso il polo antartico, sis copra assai piu acqua che terra, & dal detto circolo equinotiale, verso il nostro polo artico, sis copra assai piu terra, che acqua, essendo molto piu grave la terra, che l’acqua, & consequentemente doverebbe star nel mezzo, & scoprire la terra equalmente in ogni parte.

La causa naturale, perche la summita de’ monti, & altezza, non si diminuisca mai, ancor che del continuo, cioe spesso gli piova sopra, & neveghi, lequal pioggie, & nevi, conduca da alto a basso terra assai, & la sua altezza se conserva sempre nel medesimo stato.

La causa, & a che mod oil mare (parlando in uninersale) possa conservare la sua grandezza, & profundita, intrando del continuo dentro in ogni parte del mondo grandissime fivmare, lequale conduseno dentro una infinita de sabia, & terra, & consequentemente doverebbe diminvirsi la sua profundita, & grandezza, & nondimeno la conserva.

La causa perche il di quarto, settimo, undecimo, & decimoquarto, chiamati da li medici, di, cretici, siano mali giorni, & l’altrino.
A veder uno pezzo de artegliaria posto a segno per tirare, & saper dire senza tocarlo, & senza instrumenti, se la palla dara nel segno, o di sopra, o di sotto, o da banda destra, o finistra, & non fallar.

A spezzar per mezzo un ferro di lunghezza da cinque piedi, & de quadro dun palmo, in spatio dun’ave Maria.

(The scientific questions in plain language are presumably intended to provide entries to aid solution of the following cryptograms).
(The fourth of these says – “The cryptogram contains the explanation why two balls, one in iron and one in wood, dropped from a high place will fall on the ground at the same time.”

40 years before Galileo!!!!!! (now that’s worth solving)

The book ends with the 7 appended cryptograms, that is the last 7 of 10 given in the first post of this thread.

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 02:08:51 PM »
One down - nine to go

Take note you Professors

(which reminds me of the old mathematicians joke - if the answer is 9W - what was the question?)

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 02:43:48 PM »
Grats! :D

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 01:49:30 PM »
The table that is generated from my solution to cipher No.6 is –
(yes, I worked backwards again!)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
h r a b c e f g l m   alphabet 1
d i s n o p q t u x

h r a b c e f g l m   -  “  -  2
x d i s n o p q t u

h r a b c e f g l m   -  “  -  3
u x d i s n o p q t

h r a b c e f g l m   -  “  -  4
t u x d i s n o p q

h r a b c e f g l m   -  “  -  5
q t u x d i s n o p

Which gives –

Cipher No.6 the numbers below refer to which alphabet is used

al/ce giors cre ticip rocede va/pe/or ilcorpo el/au ecoposto
DP    QBGTA ITP LBIEE DFIIHO LI       AQILIFF SO    NILEECHL
34/51 23451 451 23451 234512 12/45/51 2345123 45/51 34512345

etorganizato inpropor tione musicabe au maicretici fu/li
OMGTTIECZXRC CGEDFLLIILBGGP PLBBIUNO UL QURNXSRRNB OR
23451234-451 45123451*23451 51234512 51 4512345123 34/51

disproportine etdiscrdia ve musica etconsequenteoenteli el/au
ACFEDFLLILBFI PLACFODACU AP UHEEOI PLSGGAOLRIBLNGIBLNPE SO
3451234512345 1234512345 51 234512 12345123451234512345 45/51

uloriin da giorni tu distemperati etdiscordanti ilferro ma
ROCDBCG BU PCLICB MR RBERPUGSTSLB PLACFOEXBUBLB BPSPDXG QU
4512345 45 345123 34 234512345123 1234512345123 3451234 45

sara condoi soprese ?? vite tu petoa saratirato serumpera
BDUU DCCAGE FCFXSFP HP MBHI LH EOMGU FSDDHEIJMG FPDHQMPDD.
2345 512345 5123451 ?? 2345 23 12345 5123451234 512345123



(I have just replaced the above, I had a few typos & errors in it that I came across whilst rechecking - (28-3-09)

The 2 letter words can be formed by substituting as the longer words are,
or by using words from the list in Bellaso’s table No.5 – without finding the
keyword or phrase and whether it was written under a verse or autokey that
is about as far as I could go as I know no Italian – Augusto Buonafalce has
kindly offered to look at it with a view to filling in the gaps and translating it.
Which is probably a more difficult job than I had in finding the table arrangement!

Update (1/4/09) - The enciphered couplets will represent words from Bellaso's table not as I gave above (had those enciphered couplets been 2 letter words the would have been tacked onto the following or preceding word) - by strictly following the method of encipherment describe by Bellaso it will read thus -

della giors cre ticip rocede qualche ilcorpo nostro ecoposto
DP    QBGTA ITP LBIEE DFIIHO LI      AQILIFF SO     NILEECHL
      23451 451 23451 234512         2345123        34512345

etorganizato inpropor tione musicabe poi maicretici sono
OMGTTIECZXRC CGEDFLLIILBGGP PLBBIUNO UL  QURNXSRRNB OR
23451234-451 45123451*23451 51234512     4512345123

disproportine etdiscrdia nella musica etconsequenteoenteli nostro
ACFEDFLLILBFI PLACFODACU AP    UHEEOI PLSGGAOLRIBLNGIBLNPE SO
3451234512345 1234512345       234512 12345123451234512345

uloriin quella giorni sono distemperati etdiscordanti ilferro inogni
ROCDBCG BU     PCLICB MR   RBERPUGSTSLB PLACFOEXBUBLB BPSPDXG QU
4512345        345123      234512345123 1234512345123 3451234

sara condoi soprese della vite per petoa saratirato serumpera
BDUU DCCAGE FCFXSFP HP    MBHI LH  EOMGU FSDDHEIJMG FPDHQMPDD.
2345 512345 5123451       2345     12345 5123451234 512345123


where the words above the couplets "should be intended in every gender or number"
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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2009, 01:57:44 PM »
It looks like some of the "words" are actually two or three words meshed together. I recognize some articles and pronouns in there.

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2009, 11:41:37 AM »
OOPS - I have the above solution slightly wrong - but its not far off - I'm working on it

Yes Aaron you are correct - he did mesh words together.

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 12:04:06 PM »
At the end of Bellaso’s ‘Il Vero Modo Di Scrivere In Cifra’ published in 1654 he writes ‘...once again deprived of my labours and merit by these persons who are used to dressing in other people’s garments’ –
I sense someone else will publish a more polished version very soon – complete with a translation (which I cannot supply as I do not know any Italian) – Mamma mia!
The solution given previously is correct (it no doubt contains a few typesetter errors) – regarding the 2 letter groups in order (they could be any of the following) DP=della; LI=mille/qualche; SO=no macati e sequir/quanto/ve habiamo/scritto/nostro; UL=vostra/poi; OR=perilche/sono; AP=della/nella; BU=ditto/quella; MR=il vostro/sono; QU=quella/inogni; HP=della/imperoche; LH=intutto/per (see table 5)
I am greatly indebted to Augusto Buonafalce for his help in translating some of the words and supplying me with copies of his English translations of the books.
The solution refers to clue no.8 (I thought I was solving no.7!!) I cannot give a fluent translation but it refers to the well being of the body at different times – a la Renaissance Asrtrologer Andrea Argoli
The way I solved it was thus – (this is taken from an email of mine explaining to someone how I did it)
I looked through the clues for any word that had a period 5 repetition in it ie. lontano; riteovata; lequale; etc. coming to the word consequentemente I placed it above the repeating tetragram I had already come across in cipher No.6 and wrote the cycles underneath –

??consequentemente??
PLSGGAOLRIBLNGIBLNPE
12345123451234512345

All is well except in cycle 4 G stands for both ‘o’ and ‘m’ – ignoring this for the time being (I am so used to coming across typesetter errors in printed ciphers)I continued on – the second letter must be ‘t’ as it occurs in the same cycle later in the group and the final letter must be ‘i’ as ‘e’ is its reciprocal in cycle 5  – so we can guess the first letter is ‘e’ to read ‘et consequentement ?i’

If the above assumption is correct we now have ‘e’ enciphered as P in cycle 1; O in cycle 2; n in cycle 3; I in cycle 5

Noticing P O N are in reversed alphabetical order in cycle 1 2 3 (assuming this is due to the alphabet shifting one to the right each time)
We can now fill in part of our table

????b?e?g???    1  s/a
????nop?????   

????b?e?g???    2  l/t
?????nop????

????b?e?g???    3  c/s  l/q
??????nop???

????b?e?g???    4  r/u
???????nop??

????b?e?g???    5 
????????nop?

I now looked at the 2 very similar groups

ACFEDFLLILBFI &
CGEDFLLIILBGGP

This looked like it should be the same word with a different shorter word attached at the front and an alternative ending or a different shorter word attached at the end

ACF EDFLLILBFI   &
CG  EDFLLIILBGGP

Putting them above the 5 possible cycles and substituting what we already have gives –

??o???t???n???   s?????tq??n??
CGEDFLLIILBGGP & ACFEDFLLILBFI
12345123451234   1234512345123

?????tq?????o?   ?s????q??????
CGEDFLLIILBGGP & ACFEDFLLILBFI
23451234512345   2345123451234

so???q???t?one   ???p?????t???
CGEDFLLIILBGGP & ACFEDFLLILBFI
34512345123451   3451234512345

?np??????q????   ???o?????q???
CGEDFLLIILBGGP & ACFEDFLLILBFI
45123451234512   4512345123451

??o???????????   ???o???t?????
CGEDFLLIILBGGP & ACFEDFLLILBFI
51234512345123   5123451234512

The third pair caught my interest (probably because it could contain TION which is a very high English trigram – I don’t know if it’s high in Italian!!)
So I tried them both as if they were the same word –

so???q???t?one   ???p?????t???
CGEDFLLIILBGGP & ACFEDFLLILBFI
34512345123451   3451234512345

If we take the extra I out of the first and try ‘tion’ we get

?np?????tione   ???p?????ti??
CGEDFLLILBGGP & ACFEDFLLILBFI
4512345123451   3451234512345

From the original table in alphabet 3
We have e?g over nop so possibly ‘f’ is the reciprocal of ‘o’ in cycle 3, trying that I guessed that this word was the Italian version of ‘proportion’

?n proportione   ??? proporti??
CG EDFLLILBGGP & ACF EDFLLILBFI
45 12345123451   345 1234512345

I have no idea at this stage if my assumptions have been correct or not – (trial & error is my secret weapon)- I will know if it is wrong soon enough as it will contradict itself

This allows us to fill in some more letters in our table

??r?b?efgl??    1  s/a 
??i?nopqt???          

??r?b?efgl??    2
??di?nopqt??

??r?b?efgl??    3  c/s
????i?nopqt?

??r?b?efgl??    4
??u??i?nopqt

??r?b?efgl??    5 
??t???i?nopq

note at least one letter in each of the above pairs to the right must appear in the keyword as they can no longer go in the correct place if not in keyword

substituting theses letters in another long group gives

i?nu??qc????
RBERPUGSTSLB
123451234512

di??e?p??ati
RBERPUGSTSLB
234512345123

??iif?o?g?q?
RBERPUGSTSLB
345123451234

u?pdgrnalcp?
RBERPUGSTSLB
451234512345

?no?l?t???on
RBERPUGSTSLB
512345123451

‘distemperati’ fits the second of these and also slots into the table nicely
At this stage I believe had my initial guess of ‘consequentemente’ and then ‘proportione’ been incorrect I would not be able to get words out – and with each subsequent word added the task would be impossible.
I repeated the same with every group & every cycle – arriving at words I had never heard of before merely recognizing they sounded correct – at each turn the options become more limited and words would just not be possible if my initial assumptions were wrong.
That was my method - plain and simple logic – if it contains a flaw I would like to know what it is.
The keyword looks as if it should be HRADIS ??? but I am told this is not an Italian word.
I look forward to its explanation in some cryptology magazine sometime soon – I can’t wait
CARPE DIEM
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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009, 12:54:44 PM »
Awesome explanation!  ;D I'm glad you enjoy it here, quiet though it may be. :) I'd be rightly pissed too if I felt that I came across the only possible solution to a long-standing problem and nobody would recognize it as correct. Ambiguous cipher solutions (in the sense that the message is not directly self-evident and requires a bit of wordplay) are tough to prove to be correct. Mallarmé is another big example of ciphers mixed with wordplay.

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2009, 04:50:59 AM »
Regarding the keyword ‘HRADIS’ – I think it was meant to be either ‘BRADIS’ or ‘BRADISIA’ -
In one example given in Bellaso’s first book the only error is the substitution of a ‘b’ for a ‘h’ –
if Bellaso had written out the keyword in its 2 syllable form (as per method) –

bra
dis
[h]


bra
dis
[h]


bra
dis
[h]

and given this to an assistant to complete the task of enciphering – the assistant, if misreading the ‘b’ for a ‘h’
would then have arrived at the alphabetical arrangement I give for the table.

That’s the only explanation I can think of as to why there is no visible keyword if HRADIS is incorrect.
(as far as I know there are no examples of Bellaso’s handwriting).

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2009, 09:13:20 AM »
Yeah, they are pretty similar looking...

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2009, 03:34:55 AM »
2 down 8 to go

Solution to 1564 #1

Keyword 'Mah vago' ???

mabcdeflin    1
hugopqrstx

mabcdeflin    2
xhugopqrst

mabcdeflin    3
txhugopqrs

mabcdeflin    4      
stxhugopqr

mabcdeflin    5
rstxhugopq

mabcdeflin    6
qrstxhugop

mabcdeflin    7
pqrstxhugo

mabcdeflin    8
opqrstxhug

mabcdeflin    9
gopqrstxhu

mabcdeflin   10
ugopqrsthu

1      2  3    4    5   6      7       8        9
diptdexloxarsoxdicoxchexlepetoxesemprexconformexa
PSDLPQNSDMXLNEAUPHFBXDUCOHUHCLDXCXPMBXERMGXMCOTFO
      10    1  2     3     4     5     6    7     
lasuaxcausaxdbxlarmaxlungaxdastaxinesaxsonoxpiunumerax
HOENOIPGMFGLPGNSHIXHMRCSDXAUTMATBOQUASCBLPLDMUIOIPXBUE
8       9     10     1    2         3         4     5
departexunitexchenonxsonoxnelacortaxetuicrtusxunitaxpote
STAPCETFNUXFSIPNRHBHLICXCNTPSHGDINHMOMCQULMCNADRPATBLIBU
        6        7      8        9       10     1    2
ntirestxdelepalexdiferoxetdilegoxprocedexperchexaierxno
QBOMUABCXHOHNROHDTUHXBNETESHUTNMFBDAQSRSICREPNRLUSQFNTD
          3          4    5      6           7     8
nresistibxdelcircoloxdicoxfinitixadinfinitumxnulamxese
TIPLRLNRUMGORUQLUEREAUPHFBGOQOBOCRXGPUGPGCFQDOIGQPETDT
 9            10       1       2    3          4 
xproportionemxlafiguraxsfericaxnonaxprqncipiioxdxeldia
FBDABADFXAUSGIXGSTAMEGLIRQFSOUNTDTHMFLISUQFQQEAUBUPHOS
      5          6
metroxaprincipioxetfinex.
RUBMICRNAGPTGNGLDXDHUOXE.

removing the 'x' word divider gives -

Diptde lo arso dico che lepeto esempre conforme alasua
causa db larma lunga dasta inesa sono piunumera
departe unite chenon sono nelacorta etuicrtus unita
potentirest delepale difero etdilego procede perche aier
nonresistib delcircolo dico finite adinfinitum nulam ese
proportionem lafigura sferica nona prqncipiio
d eldiametro aprincipio etfine.


it contains some obvious errors & the short words are still linked
to the longer ones, but my lack of Italian prevents me trying
to sort it out as I will only get it wrong.



      


« Last Edit: April 05, 2009, 04:07:48 AM by tonybaloney »

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2009, 10:03:49 AM »
I tried separating and mashing words together in Google Translate and came up with this:

Dipt de lo arso dico che lepeto e sempre conforme a la sua
causa dbl arma lunga da sta in esa sono piu numera
depart e unite che non sono ne la corta etuicrtus unita
potenti re st del e pa le dife ro etdilego procede perche a ier
non resisti b del circolo dico finite adinfinitum nul a me se
proportione m la figura sferica nona prqncipiio
del diametro a principio et fine.

Dipt de lo say that lepeto burnt and always complies with its
Case dbl weapon is long to be examined in more numbers
depart together and that they are not the short etuicrtus united
powerful re st of the defense and pa ro etdilego ier to proceed because
not resist b circle of finite adinfinitum tell me if nul
Figure proportione m spherical ninth prqncipiio
diameter of a principle and purpose.


Seems a lot like a math problem.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2009, 10:12:38 AM by Aaron »

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2009, 10:11:52 AM »
I took slightly more liberty with the other one:
della giors creti ci procede qualche il corpo nostro eco posto
et organizato in proport io ne musica be poi mai creti ci sono
disproportione et discordia nella musica et consequenteo ente li nostro
ulori in quella giorni sono distemperati et discordanti il ferro in ogni
sara con de oi soprese della vite per pe to a sara tirato serumpera

Giors of us carry a few concrete body echoes our place
and organized in offer I will also never be music, there are concrete
disproportion and discord in the music and consequenteo our body li
ULOR days there are discordant distemper and iron in each
sara with de surprises or vine pe to be pulled to a serumpera



Seems to be some profound statement on the music and discord of the human body.

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2009, 03:33:59 AM »
Aaron - a google translation will never flow - you are not taking account of the enciphering errors, omission of doubles etc  - compare with the clues given in the 1564 book (posted previously) under 'interesting things to know' - ie. 'arso' is an error for 'arco'(bow) - 'delepale difero etdilego' is split up as 'de palle di ferro et di legno' (the balls of iron and of wood) etc etc .. .  but its fun to try - anyway here's another solution (1564 No.2) -

dal circolo equinotiale versoil nostropolo artbt
RSX OSIUBPD SDARGBFSTRS BXDADRR HCIALBLDSA ODFMA
451 5123451 45123451234 2345123 4512345123 34512

sescopra asaipiu terrache acqua etdaldeno circolo verso
ERIMAIEU XAURHPG BSEHTUNR UMIFS SFOTRRRCE OSIUBPD GTIDB
45123451 4512345 34512345 12345 451234512 5123451 51234

ilpolo btarti sescopra asaipiu acqua chetera dicoche verso
RRICXE XETLCN ERIMAIEU TDXNFRC XOGBO TMTAXDS ORUBORO CSEIE
234512 512345 45123451 2345123 45123 4512345 1234512 34512

ilnosnrro poloartico sono nelemontagne etsoto lemontagne
SSGBACILB FERBSHAQTC ECCE HRXOFBIETNHR RELACC QRBEGCSQFX
123451234 1234512345 4512 451234512345 512345 4512345123

grande cavernosita nenedi acqua etventi etverso elpolo
MEUFSS OUBXDIDLQCS ITFXRN TULGU SFAOGCN XCGTIDB SPFERB
451234 51234512345 512345 23451 4512345 3451234 451234

antartico none cosi
XIETLCNNE GBIT NEDP.
451234512 3451 1234

the following is the table reconstructed which appears to use the keyword
'DEA AOTUMN' (godess of peace)?

DFOP   DEABCFGHIL     1
       OTUMNPQRSX

EGTQ   DEABCFGHIL     2
       XOTUMNPQRS

AHUR   DEABCFGHIL     3
       SXOTUMNPQR

BIMS   DEABCFGHIL     4
       RSXOTUMNPQ

CLNX   DEABCFGHIL     5
       QRSXOYUMNP

the verse it was enciphered under should be found by taking one letter
in turn from each column below - probably in Latin

The 15th column in italics below is possibly BIMS

4542434431455254244131144544552434431
BCBEBABBADBCCECBEBBDADDBBCBBCCEBABBAD
ILIGIHIIHFILLGLIGIIFHFFIILIILLGIHIIHF
MNMTMUMMUOMNNTNMTMMOUOOMMNMMNNTMUMMUO
SXSQSRSSRPSXXQXSQSSPRPPSSXSSXXQSRSSRR 


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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2009, 09:55:28 AM »
True, and there are also conjunctions that are hard to separate out unless you really know the language. Especially since the deciphered letters don't provide any punctuation.

 


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