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tonybaloney

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2009, 02:51:19 AM »
And another one bites the dust -

1564 No.7 solution -

1564 #7

serom pera ilfestcon doi  sopresetireve  c onlavite perpe tova ilcanone
QMOSDAHSOM CULRMENEESFMBT QUXRQBRHORRGIA NTEECFTLRL HSXOIARETT CUNOEGED

postoasegnn  ousire delapaia faretirar e ilchanoneil quale  sedeveretirar
HDXMPTQMXGES TBQEOE FOCFHUBG LAOERMOMODIACUNSEOEEIOCDMDCMIA QMFOTOOERMOMOD

inproporti onesetutiri  inalto stsognache nel retirasecali chonlacoda
EMXRHLOTRM EEQBRHRRORBF EMCMRE MUQUXGNGSB EDCROERMOMQMNOCH NSEECFNEFT

altramente dariaeo to d alsegnosetutirai baso bis na* elacoda  retiran  do
CMYLDLELRL FTOUPEGURE FRCMQMXGQRRHRRORPU ALQU AEQCECYECENGFBPL OERMOMEB FM
                           
siassen ?da viran doperdrito bisognaseretiripesdritto etintutitreiquesuicasi
QEQHQMESTFT TLOMESFMHSZBOURE AEQUXGQHOARHORHOQBXFRBRE RHEMRURMYLBUMDQBTLNOQE

leretebisognache sesttiri noequal menteperchhe calan dounarotada rialap
CGOERLAEQUXGNGSB QMMURMOU EGMRPOCDDFYHHTOANSSB NOCFESFMEUOBRAFFPLOUCMHR

ladaquellaban da
CFFTMDCECFALESFT
            

*  YE = Il Signor Iddie (see table – obviously an error)
? odd number of letters in this group

Generally a digram substitutes for another digram but occasionally a digram substitutes for a single letter – the single letter I have placed over the initial letter of the pair that are its substitute - which is why the gaps appear.

Se rompera il fest con doi sopre se tireve con la vite perpetoua il canone
posto a segnn ousire della paia fare tirare il chanone il quale se deve retirar               
in proportione se tu tiri in alto st sogna che nel retira se cali chon la coda
altramente dariaeo to d’al segno se tu tirai baso bis na(bisogna) ? el a coda retirando      
si assen ? da virando per drito bisogna se retire pes dritto et intuit tre I que
sui casi le rete bisogna che se sttiri no equalmente perchhe calando una rota dari
alap la da quella banda

I think its telling how to aim a cannon so it hits the mark - (better mark this one TOP SECRET)

The 2 kewords – Bartolomeus and Panfilus were the ones used to construct the table.


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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2009, 10:27:19 AM »
Nice going! :D

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2009, 11:03:49 AM »
Two more solutions -

1564 #3

lasumita  demonti  secnserva  perche  lacque  otneve
CNRDEPSGT XEQRLLGP FDUHLLQMXX AMCABAA HPEEOHU MIDLDHU
 45123451  5123451  123451234  345123  234512 *234512

 chesopra  deesi  spesocadono  insi  contengono  leesalationi
REFQFLQAT NSUAIB GFMCLGTEHQFI TNLLP EBIJFDFNLLQ OPACLTPEFBGGN
 45123451  12345  23451234512  3451  1234512345  234512345123

 etvageri  terestri  asesi  nelaria  oxvirtu  solare  etcosi 
FQCXXUQMN RFDLUGFAP SRDUGS BLDRHQSR PMCHOQFP QDIOXAQ LCGBIGS
 12345123  45123451  51234  4512345 *4512345  123451  451234

 latgu  cheper  lepiogie  scorgzoso  demonti  xepiogie  etnevi 
CNRANX DXUUMCA MSQLNMTPU AGEQLNZLIQ FSUPMMAO RADIOLBBQ SDAGARB
 45123  512345  51234512  345123451  1234512  45123451  512345

 larepone sopra  detimonti
HPEUDIIICXLGLQX QSUDSNGGDS.
 23451234 51234  123451234

QFEN    QUACDFGILM    1
        EHTBSNOPRX

UGHO    QUACDFGILM    2
        XEHTBSNOPR

AITP    QUACDFGILM    3
        RXEHTBSNOP

CLBR    QUACDFGILM    4
        PRXEHTBSNO

DMSX    QUACDFGILM    5
        OPRXEHTBSN


Keyword – QUA(C)EHTBS ??

A letter picked at random placed before each word indicates which alphabet to start with.

La sumita de monti se conserva perche l’acque ot neve che sopra de esi speso cadono in si contengono le esalationi
et vageri terestri asesi ne l’aria ox virtu solare et cosi  la tgu che per le piogie scorgzoso de monti xe piogie et nevi 
la repone sopra deti monti.


1564 #4
 
etper ilcontrario simarre conserva lasua profocsita
NCUTA REXEECSUAUB NUEFPAN FAGRTAIX HOUPU QHBADFMRDU
12345 23451234512 5123451 51234512 51234 5123451234

etgrandeza perche fluctrbu viena sotiliare larena etparte
MDLAOGTTZR FLPFRM PEAFBIXA IRLIR NACQGMOIL HOILIR OBFFPGN
23451234-5 234512 23451234 12345 512345123 512345 5123451

teree chein esosono liqualli cosi sotiliati etcon lacqua
CLPON XLNRH OFBRDSA DQSBODEN FAUQ NACQGMOCQ OBTCI DFXPIX
23451 45123 5123451 23451234 5123 123451234 51234 234512

mescolati sono salavirtu solarein aria levati etdali venti
INUODHOCQ FBHD MXEUBUIDA FBEUANRH OIQU ETBOCQ OBLFGM SLIGU
512345123 1234 123451234 12345123 1234 345123 512345 23451

indiverse plrti portati ethnacqua conversi restano
MELQAOHUL QCIDN FCPGOCQ MDMSOTIAR TCIBNIRN ANUDUSA
512345123 51234 2345123 234512345 23451234 5123451

distributi sulimonti etin altrilochi
OMFCSNUICQ FSENIAGDN NCQI XEEAUDCXLU.
4512345123 123451234 1234 2345123451

SDFM   SPABCDEGHI    1
       FXOTLMNQRU

PEXN   SPABCDEGHI    2
       UFXOTLMNQR   

AGOQ   SPABCDEGHI    3
       RUFXOTLMNQ

BHTR   SPABCDEGHI    4
       QRUFXOTLMN

CILU   SPABCDEGHI    5
       NQRUFXOTLM


Keyword – SPAFXOT ??

This is the one composed by using AUTOKEY (i.e. Initial letter of previous word indicates which alphabet to begin enciphering next word)

et per il contrario si marre conserva la sua profundita et grandeza perche fluctrbu vien a sotiliare la rena et parte teree che in eso sono li qualli cosi sotiliati et con l’acqua mescolati sono sala virtu solare in aria levati et da li venti in diverse plrti portati et hn acqua conversi restano distributi su li monti et in altri lochi.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2009, 02:23:30 AM by tonybaloney »

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2009, 10:44:39 PM »
Great job! :D Picking up any Italian yet? ;)

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2009, 02:22:49 AM »
Not a salami.

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2009, 08:36:21 AM »
Hehe.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2009, 08:36:43 AM by Aaron »

tonybaloney

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2009, 05:58:40 AM »
Aaron - isn't your turn to solve one?!

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Re: Bellaso's Ciphers
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2009, 08:11:44 AM »
Heh, I suppose I should at least give one a try, though the process to solve them seems very complicated.

 


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